Ranting that Should Probably be F-Locked, But Isn't

[sisabet]

There were kerfuffles and I missed them? Any new ones or was it the same old same old slash is of teh debil and we are all going to hell in new and inventive ways dealio? Cause not much skin off my nose if so.

Nummy Treat looks ripe for a meltdown and yet I still post. I am trying to let go. This is me stepping back. I want to talk vids and critiques and techniques and have an actual dialogue, but I feel like I spend half my time apologizing for taking vidding seriously and the other half assuring people that I am not judging them and *still* we have to deal with the egos.

Cutting for a rant and lots and lots of cursing (I'm frustrated). I don't rant often and I don't seriously rant about things other than Best Buy - like ever - but I am here.

See - I have an ego. I am proud of my videos. Damned proud. I have worked hard on them and dammit - they are (for the most part) exactly what I want them to be - and that did not happen by accident.

I have learned a lot along the way. Everything I have learned has been because someone has helped me. The more into the medium I became, the more resources opened up for me. This has been fantastic.

All I wanted to do was to get the list to move back to what it used to be so that people that want and need feedback to improve can. This is all I have fucking wanted for 2 fucking years. Goddammit.

And all of a sudden people start posting in droves about how we are dampening someone's creative spirit. About how we are not in charge of defining what is Art and what is not. About how they vid for "fun" and art and they don't have fun obsessing over every frame but still like feedback.

FUCK!!!!!!

YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL!! YOU CAN ALL GO TO FUCKING HELL AND DIE GODDAMMIT!! YOU FUCKING BASTARD PEOPLE!!!!

::gasps for breath::

Okay - I never said one person is making art and another is not. I pretty much believe art is in the eye of the beholder. I did say we will get accused of being elitist bitches and guess what - ta da! Also - the term "braying asses" was used.

And then the moderator came on and stated this is the first "generalized" fucking warning?? WTF? Civil post, civil post, civil post, attack on poster - General Warning to Everyone. It does not compute. Delete the post and put the flamer on warning status. God. Read the fucking FAQ.

I have had it. I am sick of fucking molly-coddling people.

You don't obsess over your vid? Fine - GUESS WHAT - it shows. I don't have time to watch it. NEXT.

I hurt your feelings that I don't have time for your vid? Sorry, I am never happy about hurting anyone's feelings. I still don't have time for your vid. NEXT.

You vid for fun? Great, me too. We have different ideas about fun. NEXT

You think I am a pretentious snob? Okay. NEXT.

Let me see if I have this straight: Fun/Art vidders pretty much make any vid that they take a notion to do. Some vids are taken very seriously and they work really hard on them and others are just done on a lark and they really don't want to take the time to make those vids the best that they could do because that just isn't fun. And then they call themselves FART vidders.

Fine. Great. Go to town. I don't really care. You are obviously not the target person I am talking to about serious critique. NEXT.

Remember when this came up in video bootcamp? - someone submitted their vid to be critiqued and then had a fit at the suggestions saying she really did not enjoy working on a vid that hard and Dawn told that vidder "What part of bootcamp did you not understand? It is not Vidder's Day At the Spa" - I loved that.

Fuck. We haven't even gotten to real vid discussion yet - we are still talking about discussion and everyone has to be handheld and they all have to be assured and I am so tired of it.

My opinion is my own. Deal with it - or not. It doesn't matter - it is just a fucking opinion. I don't require consensus.

All I want to do is help people who are interested - seriously interested - in becoming the best vidders they can possibly be - because someone fucking helped me.

Now it has turned into "I don't want to work and y'all should shut up about this cause y'all are making me feel bad and it ain't right to make someone feel bad about art."


Which sucks for the people who are actually serious about this.

I'll be pissed off over in the corner. Fuck. Fuckity Fuck Fuck Fuck. I really thought we had a shot at making it work onlist. Fuck.

I am Drew Barrymore on the baseball diamond in "Donnie Darko."

FUCK!!!!!!

Comments

[coffeeandink.livejournal.com]

If I vidded, I'd want you to tear my work to pieces. Since I don't, I'll just say I'm grateful you're a pretentious snob who takes things that fucking seriously. Because I like your art.

[boniblithe.livejournal.com]

*holds up lighter*

Setting that list to No Mail and then forgetting altogether that it even exists has been the best thing that has ever happened to me.

Where are the Braying Ass icons?

[kamilaa.livejournal.com]

*cough*

[just-eunice.livejournal.com]

I echo your FUCK heartily.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

::clings to you::

[swanswan.livejournal.com]

Hey you: I'm not a vidder, and I've never been an on-list participant in anything but - bear with me here - I think your rant was a damn fine piece of yelling. The mollying and coddling is fine, man, if all you want is the joy of sticking a happy ending on a scene or putting two pretty moving pictures together. If you want something more than that (and not many people do, to be honest; sometimes I don't) then you *have* to be ready to take criticism. Hell, you have to *crave* criticism.

This:
You don't obsess over your vid? Fine - GUESS WHAT - it shows. I don't have time to watch it. NEXT.
I hurt your feelings that I don't have time for your vid? Sorry, I am never happy about hurting anyone's feelings. I still don't have time for your vid. NEXT.
You vid for fun? Great, me too. We have different ideas about fun. NEXT
You think I am a pretentious snob? Okay. NEXT.

Pretentious snobs of the world UNITE! You have talent and you work hard. You have passion and you love what you do. You have better things to be doing than pandering to the lazy.
Plus, you're in the elitist bitch buffy vidding cabal, yo. You have a responsibility to get in periodic snits!! And I'm v jealous. Of all the amorphous fandom cliques I'd love to enter, that is the one I admire most. I don't actually, um, make videos though, so I'm a bit fucked there. Maybe I could get a "elitist bitch buffy vidding cabal GROUPIE" icon?? Whatcha think???

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

Maybe I could get a "elitist bitch buffy vidding cabal GROUPIE" icon??

As GROUPIE president, I say please make some :)))

And Liz, rock on.

[par-avion.livejournal.com]

I've been amazed/impressed at how well you are dealing with this b.s. on-list. I'd actually turned off the emails from NT because they were so freaking boring, but I turned them back on after some one on LJ mentioned the whole "take back the night" thing that was going on.

Can we just talk about vids already and not talk about talking about vids?!?! I debated posting some critique of SDW's vid in the hopes of focusing the conversation, but my internet access crapped out (again!) last night. There's also the fact that no one on-list knows who I am unless maybe they are on LJ, but I don't care. I don't want the moment to slip away!

Sympathy & hugs & chocolate.

[catatonic1242.livejournal.com]

As someone who has been sitting of out most of the NT debates, I think it'd be a good idea to just establish some kind of LJ vid critique group, rather than trying to do it on NT. I'm all for critique, and I know that NT used to be like that, but I don't think we're going to get back to actual, in-depth discussion without kicking and screaming and hair-pulling. And I'd be more likely to follow a discussion on LJ, anyway. ;)

That said, I also think that people who do not want to be critiqued are afraid of having happen to them what happened to me today-- namely, I was "called-out" on one of my vids. Now, I didn't put my vid up for critique, but god knows I'm more than happy to give a walkthrough explaining my rationale for everything I did in the vid (and I'm in the process of doing so); however, I'm sure there are vast number of vidders on NT who are not. They're the ones who are freaking out about on-list critique.

Just my $0.02.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

I think you are right - as far as not being able to do this on NT. I think though - if we establish a separate list or community - we become isolated from the people that want/need us.

namely, I was "called-out" on one of my vids.

I saw that post and ya know - I love that kinda stuff. You didn't get my vid? Let's talk about the choices made and discuss what I intended and what came across. You've been around as long as I have - so I'm certain you didn't mind the dialogue either. I am trying to have patience with the people who don't want it - I swear I am - but I just want them to shut up and let us do this. If they don't want us to watch their vids - fine. I won't watch. But don't tell us to watch and not comment. Or something. I don't know. I am gonna go to not speaking unless spoken to.

[heresluck]

Right there with you.

I do think there's still a chance to get the list back on track. Posting about SDW's vid is the best start I can think of. I'm writing up feedback later this evening.

[wesleysgirl.livejournal.com]

Meep.

I probably should keep my mouth shut here, but I'm gradually becoming less and less good at that.

I get what you're saying, I really, really do. (Or at least I think I do -- not like I can read your mind, after all.)

I've made one vid. It was on iMovie (because that was the program I had access to at the time) and I'm sure it probably could have been sixteen times better than it was. If I remade it now, based on the experience of having made it once, I'm sure it would be three or four times better, easy, just from what I learned. It took me basically the whole process of making that one vid to figure out how to use the program, and I didn't try to play with the (admittedly probably very few compared to Premiere's) bells and whistles much at all. I just had a song that struck me, an idea, and I made a vid.

Based on stuff I've seen posted by the vidders *I* consider to be the BNFs, I'm terrified to go any further with vidding. What if my song choice isn't accepted? What if the clips I choose to use aren't appropriate enough (or, worse, *too* appropriate and literal?) What if no one will even look at my vid because it's made on iMovie instead of Premiere? What if I'm automatically dismissed by the very people who could help me most because I'm deemed a "fun" vidder instead of a serious one?

Please don't misunderstand -- I'm not condemning you all for not having endless patience with people's whose ideas of vidding are very different than your own. I'm trying to point out that, deliberately or accidentally, the "serious vidders" (and who belongs to that group is no doubt different for each individual you might talk to) are getting -- or already have -- a reputation for being so exclusionary that I think it's driving potential new vidders away. And maybe that doesn't matter to you, because hell, for all I know there are hundreds of potential/newbie vidders on the list you're talking about and as far as you're concerned, you want most of them to go away.

Just... good new vidders aren't going to spring fully formed from the forehead of Zeus, you know? And some of them are going to require some hand-holding and reassurance until they've built up some confidence.

Me, I'll be hiding over here in the corner.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

Just... good new vidders aren't going to spring fully formed from the forehead of Zeus, you know?

I started with WMM - and my first vids - trust me, they are not good. They are not even in the same room as good. To call them bad would be charitable. I also know from bad song choice - my first vid was a freaking Spike vid to Gordon Lightfoot's "If I Could Read Your Mind" - I defy someone to top my first vid for utter wretchedness.

Perhaps I should post it. Seriously.

My point is that it is not important where you are coming from - what is important is improving - becoming the best vidder you can be. You can't do that in a vacuum. You do that by learning from other people - what worked for them, what did not - solid, helpful critique.

That is what I was trying to get started. Just for the people interested. Now there is just this mad rush of people who are not interested in doing this - but feel I or other vidders are dissing them for not wanting to participate.

And yeah - I know the serious vidders have a rep for being exclusionary - Hell there is a reason I am bitter and a lot of it stems from being constantly beat down on this one fricking list. I'm still approachable. Right?

Crap.

[fox1013.livejournal.com]

*reads*

*reads again*

Marry me?

[spuzz.livejournal.com]

The reasons why I gratefully left months ago become abundantly clear.

I hate that list, with a burning passion. It's just...bad, and it's out of control in general.

I feel the exact same way about icons, and the amount of effort spent on them. It is art. Period.

Your a excellent ranter, and I for one am glad you didn't friends lock.

[elke-tanzer.livejournal.com]

It's probably small consolation, but ficwriters run into the same sort of issues between "I just want to write whatever I want to and it's FUN!" and "I want to beat myself to shreds and create a really crafted story and it's FUN!" folks. It's difficult to reach out (and be reachable) to new writers who want helpful critique and mentoring for fun when they're surrounded by people who write "for fun" and don't want to even work with a single beta reader.

Long live the cabal. Y'all rock.

[crowie.livejournal.com]

Right, Im not currently on any vidder communities that are active but Im on several digital art forums where the crit business pops up again and again.

People ask for crits and then get mad when they get them. It's something that needs to be well defined in the rules of the community. Something that sais that if you want crits and then get them, you don't have a right to complain.

Ive done a handful of vids and most of them were serious. I spent aaages on trying to get them just right. I've also done one vid that took perhaps 4-5 hours in total to make. I had a stupid silly idea and voila! the vid got done. I don't think the idea behind that vid is good enough to warrant a well thought out good vid so making the effort into making it the best possible vid it could be isn't really worth it. I'd rather move on and tackle a new vid that might have more merit.

Ok my point got lost I think. What Im trying to say is that there is a place for stupid just for fun vids but they should firmly be marked as such. Also that kind of vid has no business crowding a list/community centered around making better vids, becoming a better vidder. It takes alot of effort to improve in anything and if you don't continually push yourself a little bit further everytime you create something you wont get better.

Anyway I'd love to join a community where I'd get actual crits and where there would be a real drive to try be the best vidder you can be.

So.. where do I sign up?

Woo-Hoo...my favorite thing...meltdown over creative standards!

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

First Sis...here's your hug. And let me say...I feel your elitist pain. I wish everyone could write. I don't ever want to discourage people from trying to write and I do my level best to be sweet and supportive. But the fact remains some people just shouldn't write. And I don't say this because I think that I am some kind of writing goddess...I say this because I read. I know, you know, some people shouldn't vid. I most definitely shouldn't sing...anyone with ears could tell me that.

The level of tolerance a person is able to show for the people who do something even when they don't have the talent for it...varies (Does Placido Domingo go to Karaoke?). And, of course, talent must be nurtured and encouraged if it is ever going to flourish. However, you make a very good point...it doesn't have to be nurtured BY YOU!

Assuming you are not creating one of those 'Let's laugh at the poor schmo with no talent' sites...you have nothing to apologize for in trying to share your wisdom with the up-and-comers. One of the pitfalls I face in my pursuit of perfectionism or taking the work seriously (however we phrase it)...is I run the risk of looking all snobbish. I am snobbish...or at least overly opinionated. I embrace it...but before I offer unsolicited commentary on someone else's work I try to remember the general contempt for the critic that we see in most areas. Few people are able to embrace criticism and many react very badly to it.

You don't obsess over your vid? Fine - GUESS WHAT - it shows. I don't have time to watch it. NEXT.

I think that is the most helpful attitude to take. Don't watch. Don't care. do what I did when I wanted like-minded people around me: create your own elitist group and only watch outside vid to recruit new talent. Then if the vidders you stumble across don't measure up to your standards...you don't have to have anything to do with them. I read fic that is very well recommended...if I like it...I feedback. If someone ask me to help them with their writing...I do what I can for them.

Re: Woo-Hoo...my favorite thing...meltdown over creative standards!

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

But see Rabid -- if this was the attitude that Lum had taken, then I would not be making the vids that I make today.

I want to nurture new talent - I want to help other vidders - I want to do all these things. I just feel that when I do try - or when here's luck or Eunice or renenet or Lum or hell - anyone tries - we get cut off at the knees by this overwhelming mentality that critique and hard work are quashers of spirit.

And they aren't. And we did not choose to be elitist bitches - that was thrust upon us and we made it our own cause we are such classy elitist bitches.

I just have this overwhelming feeling that mediocrity is this numbing fog and there are some vidders that truly want to do this - they just need help.

[bloodypoetry.livejournal.com]

I know I am not yet cabal material, but god, do I agree with you. You know it's gotten to the point that I won't even watch a new video unless it rec'd by someone I trust? Much better than browsing through the BMVD and seeing the same.exact.video several thousand times.

But like someone said above, you should start your own list/comm. Like a lj comm called 'videobootcamp' or something. That way, we can all point it out to new vidders, who are willing to get critiqued. Big ole' disclaimers and such, saying that if you don't really want to improve on your video, then don't post. And if someone starts complaining post-critique? Your the mod, they are gone. Simple as pie. And the amount of vidders that would link such a comm would get the word out enough, I think. I would join, and link. Heh.

[kimera.livejournal.com]

I just... yeah. My response to most of the whinging on NT so far has been to roll my eyes. If it continues any longer, though, they might just roll right out of my head. Why, why, why is it so hard for some people to understand that taking it seriously *IS* the fun part for some of us? Argh.

[kitkatbyte.livejournal.com]

Huh.

Honestly, I keep track of the nummy treat list by reading daily digests.

So this morning I got an e-mail from someone alerting me to this totally innapropraite post, but it was 10 minutes before I had to go to work and so I had to wait to do anything about it.

About the moderator -- I did give her the status, but that was like yesterday and we have not discussed our policies yet. My general reaction is to delete any flames, quote the FAQ to the person who did it, and send a reminder about the rules to the list. Obviously I have not done this yet. But I just got home, like, 10 minutes ago.

Blah. I'm sick of this anyway. Maybe it would be better to start a seperate group for discussion and jsut keep nummy treat as a bmvd update list. I dunno. I feel an obligation to step in when shit happens on the list, but if I'm not around, I can't really do much can I?

Maybe I can appoint another moderator to help out -- two heads are better than one, and stuff. I did get an offer. ::shrug::

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

No - I knew you were not there - I sent an email to Juleen asking her to delete the post. What peeved me (not any more than the FART vidders though, to tell you the truth) was Jul issuing a *general* warning to everyone. Everyone had been exceedingly civil - then this asshole comes on and flames. I felt like we were all being told to shut up and watch it and argghgh!! I have tried very very hard to be accepting and civil and don't want to be lumped in with the asshole.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

So, I think we should call Club Vivid The Ca-Ball.

:flees:

[mintwitch.livejournal.com]

Now it has turned into "I don't want to work and y'all should shut up about this cause y'all are making me feel bad and it ain't right to make someone feel bad about art."

This is why I don't give the much-vaunted-but-rarely-seriously-desired contructive crit, anymore (in re fanfic, btw). It seems like 99.9% of the people who submit work for public critique are actually looking for a circle jerk, and I'm not interested in that. Worse, they get pissed off about it. "What, I'm supposed to jerk your dick, but you won't jerk mine?" boo hoo. Um. Yeah. Because your (generic) dick is stinky, has bad characterization, and could use a dictionary, and I don't play with nasty parts. Take some concrit and bathe...

So, word.

SegueAlso, have you been lurking on fanfic_hate? Buffy fans lack humor; most of the threads have been pretty funny, but the BtVS is just sad... Still, it's a decent way to distract oneself from the kind of irritations this post is about, thin it out a little, like adding turpentine to old, dry paint.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

Psst - what is fan-fic hate??

And I agree 100% with you - btw.

[luminosity]

Truly. You can ask anyone. I haven't said a word today. I've been quiet and upset and livid. I haven't read any of the comments here, even.

I am sick TO DEATH of the shit that goes on, on The Nummy Treat list. (That same skidmark on humanity who flamed one of my friends ended her flame by saying that she was bailing out of the list. Well, of course, like all passive-aggressive fuckwads who flame and then sing a swansong, she's still there. That ALONE!!... )

All any of us ever wanted (speaking, hopefully, for several people) was to share the *JOY*FUN*CRAFT* of vidding with people who wanted to share it with us. God knows I've tried. But that list is full of joy-draining snakes who are scared to death that they might learn something. I'm sick *to death* of apologizing in advance for offending them. God forbid that someone actually say something useful on that fucking list.

I never set myself up as an elitist bitch. That was done *for me* by those same idiots. It's to my (and others') credit that we turned it around to be a unique identifier. Painful at the time, but a good thing ultimately.

Even as recently as last night, I was willing and gung-ho. But after that flame and the moderator's answer (granted, she's new at moderating, but...) and her answer to me personally, I was left wondering if I really had anything worthwhile to share. Maybe nobody wants to hear from me. It hurts, but I can accept that and I'll live. Well? Maybe I just needed a brick upside my head, because I'm *done*, baby. DONE.

I apologize for spewing all over your LJ. If y'all want me, you know where I am. If you want me to look at your vid, you know where I am. Present company (you know who you are, and if you even *think* you're a part of that present company, you are) excepted.

Now? Alcohol.

[permetaform]

Maybe nobody wants to hear from me.

...::arm flails:: um. hello?? ::waves some more:: if *they* don't want to listen it's kinda like you trying to warn George about that tree.

and methinks sisabet should go ahead with that community that everybody's been rambling about.

[lexcorp-hope.livejournal.com]

It's always been my firm opinion that if someone is "just doing it for the fun" and somebody else can ruin that fun by being critical... then the "artist" in the wrong place. Go somewhere private and show it to your friends, instead of splashing it far and wide for the general public to see. If you don't want to work hard to make your fiction, your vids, your fan art the absolute best it can be, and if you're not striving to make it better every single time you try it, then for god's sake, make a nice, cushy pillow palace filled with people who will love it for fun, and leave the general public out of it. You can't have fandomwide acclaim and just do it for fun. It doesn't happen like that, ever, no matter the discipline. It's an either/or proposition.

I will never, ever be an elite vidding cabal goddess; there are some aspects of Premiere that are so absolutely arcane to me, that I'm not sure I would understand them even if somebody held my hand and walked me through it step by step (keyframes? scrolling credits? ha!) but even with my limitations, I bust my ass to do better than I did last time, and I read everything better vidders have to say about the craft. And here's something that the "just for fun" whiners should try out: you don't have to take everybody's advice, no matter how fantasic a vidder they are. I vid all kinds of weird-assed music, shamelessly. I break the pop-song rule all the time, but you have to know why it's a rule first before you can effectively break it.

Just because you're not as good as the best, just because you can't hope to be the best, doesn't mean you cannot constantly strive to be *better* than you are today, tomorrow, next vid after that. And you know what? For me, that striving? That's fun.

[luminosity]

....but even with my limitations, I bust my ass to do better than I did last time, and I read everything better vidders have to say about the craft. And here's something that the "just for fun" whiners should try out: you don't have to take everybody's advice, no matter how fantasic a vidder they are. I vid all kinds of weird-assed music, shamelessly. I break the pop-song rule all the time, but you have to know why it's a rule first before you can effectively break it.

This is it, exactly. When I started vidding, and even now, I collar anyone who'll listen and ask questions about technique, narrative, effects, etc. Why? Because I want this effort to be better than the last effort **of MINE**--not someone else's efforts.

When I beta a vid, my first statement is: "You can ignore everything I have to say about your plot or characterization, and you won't hurt my feelings. You can ignore every technical tip I give to you, and I won't beta for you anymore." Those are two discrete parts of critiquing/beta'ing a vid, and, while the story is the vidder's own, the tech is universal.

I'm an artist. I spent years in college learning the rules of composition, color and design. The Rules. There are Rules.** Once you know those rules, you can knowledgeably break them, and your vid can be good and special and singular. If you don't know the rules, and you break them anyway, chances are that your vid will be a mishmoshy mess.

The joy of vidding for me is to strive and strive and obsess and worry and become frustrated and then, with patience and knowledge, work the problem. That's the FUN OF IT FOR ME.

**The pop-song rule? Isn't really a rule, but it's a great suggestion. Besides Evanescence singing generic songs, the singer is flat. :)

[permetaform]

First of all?? ::MASSIVE HUGS::

Second? New vid improvement community! YES YES AND THOUSAND TIMES YES.

_{pretty please?} 'Cause like the others say, there'd be full disclaimers plastered everywhere and you can even implement a two-strike warning or whatever before you kick people off and go "HELLO, this is critique, duh it hurts, get over it!" =)

You don't obsess over your vid? Fine - GUESS WHAT - it shows. I don't have time to watch it. NEXT.

::nodnodnod:: exactly.

[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Also! Handy memories-feature (when they work, are they working again yet?) and availability of user-info to... like... link to tutorial and information pages. To save complete newbies *cough*me*cough* from annoying the world by asking the questions that have already been answered somewhere else O:)

Why yes, I have aquired a copy of Premiere. Why do you ask? ... and why are you backing away? :D

[linzeestyle.livejournal.com]

Oh, word.

sockkpuppett mentioned the Nummy List debacle and masochist that I am, I had to go read. I cannot describe how many times my forehead nearly became intimately aquainted with the desktop reading that. I got to the FART vidder part and decided I should stop reading before I totally lost my faith in humanity.

Oops, too late. *g*

Which sucks for the people who are actually serious about this.

It really does. That's one of the reasons I stopped vidding XF more or less - there were people in the fandom who were serious about vidding, but 99% of the people making videos were "what do you MEAN, narrative? I want to put Mulder and Scully to Celine Dion and theirloveissopure and turn them purple!" and people ate it up with spoons, begging for more. Which is a whole 'nother rant, but I can feel your bitterness. And empathize.

Linzee, not quite an elitist vidder, but definitely a bitter bitchy one. *g*

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

(((sis)))

You're the shiz.

Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.

I may be bitter as well.

[netweight]

Speaking as someone who's been known to obsess over fics for over six months - I hear you.

Anyone not willing to take the time and make the effort to deliver the best they can, can really just fuck off. It's not really a question of it being about art - it's just a question of if you're gonna create something, then take it seriously, do it right. I have this crazy notion that, in the end, it's very much about respect. Self-respect. Respect for others.

If that makes us pretentious snobs? Elitist bitches? Dude, I'll wear the title proudly.


it ain't right to make someone feel bad about art

SNORT. Someone should have said this to all those *now* famous painters who died poor and mad.


Obsess all you want - I, for one, am very grateful that you do. :)

[renenet.livejournal.com]

I love you. Where are you? h.l, Eunice and I are talking about a thing. We need you.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

I was packing up my empty room with Caps. I'm on now.