David Fury Is Spike

[sisabet]

Conversation between me and just_eunice whereupon I attempt to convince her that I am right. Specifically about David Fury (writer on Angel for all those nonBtVS people floating around). Eunice is kinda freaked by this.

And I cut

sisabet: Fury is Spike
sisabet: how many times do I have to tell people this?

Eunice: It would help if he didn't act like a crack riddled ass so often.

sisabet: he is a fine person
sisabet: he just likes fucking with the insane fans
sisabet: so do I

Eunice: I generally love his writing/episodes..but the man has the overwhelming ability to say exactly the wrong thing.
Eunice: It doesn't come across like that though. SDK comes across as fucking with fans in a fun way. David Fury comes off as mean or boorish way too often.

sisabet: Hmmmmm...."but the man has the overwhelming ability to say exactly the wrong thing"
sisabet: sound like anyone we know?

Eunice: I'm not saying he's a bad guy...I'm just saying he's good at giving out vibes that would drive a nun to drink.

sisabet: Say.....Spike???
sisabet: and again - I say Spike

Eunice: Then he needs to reveal the sweet more often..the gooey softie center.

sisabet: he does

Eunice: When?
Eunice: Did I miss that part?

sisabet: you just have to look for it
sisabet: pretend you are actually on Buffy
sisabet: and you have to look for Spike's sweetness

Eunice: Though...gushing about Spike/Angel being the love story of the season was pretty darn cute

sisabet: look at what the man does. Not at how he is quoted
sisabet: most of the time he only says that shit when he gets bored

Eunice: And...agreeing to have a hand stuck in his back and sing the mustard song..also cute.

sisabet: He is Spike

Eunice: jeez...stop it. Stop it RIGHT NOW

sisabet: thru and thru
sisabet: dude

Eunice: you're going to make me like Fury

sisabet: if you met Spike in real life - would you like him?

Eunice: *clutches bias like an adored child*

sisabet: would you give him a chance?

Eunice: Hmm...depends on the context I met him I suppose.

sisabet: ::hums::
sisabet: Fury is Spike
sisabet: No patience
sisabet: foot in mouth disease

Eunice: foot in the mouth diseased
Eunice: heehee...you said it while I was typing it

sisabet: hee
sisabet: BUT
sisabet: He is the one that souled Spike
sisabet: He is the one that had Spike overcome the First Evil telling him to kill Buffy

Eunice: Oh my god..the irrational hero worship of Angel? Jesus, it's all starting to make sense.

sisabet: Fury does *not* worship Angel
sisabet: he tolerates him for the greater good
sisabet: Fury may worship Riley a smidge
sisabet: but for the most part he likes Harmony

Eunice: Well then that tanks your theory doesn't it? 'Cause Spike sure as hell worships Angel.

sisabet: and he likes Spike

Eunice: In a truly twisted way..but he does.

sisabet: Fury does not know he worships Angel ETA -abrupt turn-around cause I know when to adopt other people's theories as my own

Eunice: He *hates* that he does...but he totally looks up to Angel.

sisabet: When given the opportunity - Fury will make Angel act petulant and broody
sisabet: also his hair sticks straight up

Eunice: So..in conclusion...Fury is Spike, has a sekrity crush on Angel, and likes to play with Harmony?

sisabet: and he is lame and bloody stupid
sisabet: Ocam's Razor to the conclusion
sisabet: Fury is Spike

Eunice: well shoot...disliking Fury was my last irrational fandom prejudice.
Eunice: Now I will truly turn into a fandom Buddah
Eunice: If I get enlightened I am so blaming it on you

sisabet: I've always thought it iroinic that the people that supposedly love the character hate the man
sisabet: it always made me think that sure Spike is easy to take on the little screen where we are privy to 100% of the info
sisabet: but in real life?
sisabet: not so cute

Eunice: Because, like I said...he doesn't reveal the ooey gooey shiny light of goodness center so much. And I've never *hated* him. I just got irritated to often by his foot in the mouth crap and started ignoring him.

sisabet: so it is easy to forgive the Spike-Bashing on the show
sisabet: cause dude can be annoying as all get out

Eunice: hmmm
Eunice: I hate you
Eunice: with the logic

sisabet: Spike isn't all about revealing the shiny ball of gooey chocolate at the center either
sisabet: we just see it cause we see everything
sisabet: most of the other characters are like you reading a Fury interview
sisabet: Spike is infuriating and strains the calm

Eunice: Right...so we know if the other characters would stop taking the bait and take the time to love him despite his flaws..how amazing he would be..but *they* don't know that. 'Cause they don't see what we see.

sisabet: yes
sisabet: and if you take the time to look at Fury's *actions*

Eunice: So poor Spike is left to play Donkey Kong all alone.

sisabet: because no one would play with Fury as a child

Eunice: I wonder if Fury plays his X-Box and sekritly gives boxes of chocolates for practice to us fans..and then doesn't have the guts to actually do it.
Eunice: So he beats up little fan cut outs instead.
Eunice: and then cries because we don't love him
Eunice: Poor little Fury
Eunice: Now I want to huggle him

sisabet: I don't think Fury wants our love anymore
sisabet: sure - acceptance would be nice
sisabet: but he is beyond that
sisabet: now it is all about the Joss
sisabet: the Joss man
sisabet: the Jossinator

Eunice: Joss loves us all

Eunice: As is appropriate for a diety of his standing

sisabet: well he is Jesus

Eunice: Our Lord Joss
Eunice: He gives us puppets
Eunice: and hand holding

sisabet: Fury gave us Angel's Indiana Jones dream
sisabet: He made the subtext text in Destiny

Eunice: and then he rips our guts out and pours salt in the wounds...because love is pain and he doesn't want us to forget that...because he is a loving God.

sisabet: He gave us back Cordy in You're Welcome

Eunice: *sniffle*

sisabet: he made Spike a demon fighter in Doomed
sisabet: He wrote Crush
sisabet: *and* Bargaining

Eunice: I've always wondered how what he *said* about Crush directly contradicted what I *felt* after watching Crush. It's one of my favorite Spike centric episodes.

sisabet: it is wonderful
sisabet: think of Fury and Crush this way...

Eunice: It's not anti-Spike at all..though I can see how it sounds like it is on paper

sisabet: You are Buffy tied up and Fury is trying to explain the ep to you
sisabet: of course it is not going over well

Eunice: Instead it's very sympathetic towards him.

sisabet: Fury *is* Spike

Eunice: It's the first time you really get a sense of just *how* torn Spike is...how much all of it is *killing* him.
sisabet: He had Spike send invisi-Buffy away because it was just a buncha sex to her

Eunice: You could say FFL does that...but that's about how he was brought to this point.
Eunice: Crush is about what it feels like for Spike to *be* at that point.

sisabet: AND - He had Buffy save Spike at the end of Showtime

Eunice: I wonder if he is a B/A/S shipper too.
Eunice: Because then I could love him with open arms

sisabet: I've always thought the fans were irrationally knee-jerk about Fury
sisabet: and I have always thought it was this great big cosmic joke
sisabet: cause it is ironic that people who profess to be all about Spike - really aren't
sisabet: these are the people that don't really know Spike

Eunice: hey! *looks insulted*

sisabet: the poor iddle Spike faction
sisabet: no - you were just misguided
sisabet: but now...
sisabet: do you see?
sisabet: can you see?

Eunice: I'm starting to, yes

sisabet: What that Fury
sisabet: is doing to me

Eunice: But then I've never been a big "bash the writer" person. Just easily annoyed.

sisabet: well - I just don't read their interviews

Eunice: bingo

Comments

Re: I actually did it

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

I can't imagine you ever being idiotic. Silly insane on sugar, but never idiotic.

Re: I actually did it

[missmurchison.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the reassurance!

But, you know, among all these fascinating who is really who theories, after last night's episode, I think you need to reference an older but still compelling one: Joss is God.