Prison!Justin Fic Spoiler

[sisabet]

I forgot to post this yesterday in the midst of the QaF Season 4 Spoilers and watching Angel vids.

This is not a confirmed Spoiler - in fact it may have nothing to do with the story at all - I'm just stalking rachelanton73 cause, well:
1. It is fun.
2. She has very nice window treatments at her house.
3. There is a very big tree right next to her bedroom window that is quite comfy.
4. She plans on torturing Justin and for that we must be prepared.

myrna1_2_3 said in josselin's LJ (and how cool is it that myrna is in Austria?) that by torturing Justin - "This is how we grow a Better Brian!" - which is true and tested and quite lovely and perhaps why H/C does not work in reverse. Hurt Brian and he withdraws, he expects it, his shell is too deep to get to him that way. Hurt Justin... it is another thing entirely, and he has no defense. Yet. I hope he never does.

He could be my new Mulder.

Oh - anyway - back to the potential spoiler and this is in no way confirmed, but it does kind of give us mindset on how serious Rachel and Lauren are about making this hurt cause even if they don't do it the very idea that they might is brilliant in its pain-inducing quality.

Cutting for potential-maybe-totally-unconfirmed Prison!Justin Spoiler:


Justin may have his head shaved in prison due to lice. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've been a reader of Rachel's for a long time now and she is sick enough to do it. She has a taste for the pain and man is it ever attractive.

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[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

I will die. But in the best, oh-man-this-fic-is-so-good-it-hurts way.

[sparkledark.livejournal.com]

I can neither confirm nor deny the lice rumor, as we haven't entirely decided yet. One way or another, the hair is coming off, but there are a couple of potential reasons for it. I've been trying to choose which is the more realistic and dramatic reason, but the hair spoiler has thrown my entire thought process into upheaval.

But I can say yes yes yes! to Myrna's quote about growing a better Brian. That is the whole point of torturing Justin. Torturing Brian is, like you said, kind of pointless. He doesn't really show the pain, and if he did Justin would of course be supportive and as helpful as possible and all that junk- there's no tension or uncertainty in that. And it doesn't really advance either character very much at all, which could be why the stroke!Brian fic is so deathly boring. Well, there are lots of reasons for that I suppose...

Anyway, point is, Justin torture is all about the Brian character growth. And, of course, the pain. Which is quite tasty.

ps. I'll leave cookies on the windowsill tonight

[josselin.livejournal.com]

And it doesn't really advance either character very much at all, which could be why the stroke!Brian fic is so deathly boring. Well, there are lots of reasons for that I suppose...

*dies laughing*

You are all so evil! I love it! Go Austria!

But yeah, more seriously, I think that's a good insight into one reason why the stroke!Brian doesn't really hit me. First of all, I think I am shallow and only like Brian as long as he is rich and good looking. (He can be temporarily poor and get glasses or plastic surgery. But that's about it for me. No grey hair or getting old.) And also, if he's wounded, he's just not the same guy anymore and then I think he's kind of boring.

All this talk about torturing Justin reminds me of the kidnapping fic I was vaguely tempted to write a few weeks ago. Starla convinced me not to write it cause she said it was too angsty (and if *she* says it's too angsty, then we *know* it's bad). But I kind of like the idea... *muses*

(And yes, Sisabet, it is *too* cool that Myrna is in Austria now. Too cool.)

[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

... there is such a beast as "too angsty"? Do tell. :D

Contrived Angst Scenario I Never Wrote

[josselin.livejournal.com]

Well, the premise was that Brian and Justin get kidnapped by a former joint trick who's obsessed with both of them. The kidnapper (let's call him Bob) locks them in a room with a bunch of cameras and forces them to have sex all the time.

Brian and Justin are like--hey, cool, this is fun.

Eventually, they get tired, and they are like--look, Bob, we need a break, some food and water, etc.

Bob gets angry, and says, "I was prepared for this," and uses his goons (yes, Bob has goons, shut up) to take Justin away for "punishment."

All they do is dose Justin with a little rohypnol and put him in a different room (yes, Bob has a lot of rooms, shut up, it's really dumb and contrived). But Brian doesn't know that that's all their doing to Justin, of course, so he's totally freaking out. And the goons bring Justin back to Brian the next day, and Justin's all groggy and can't remember anything, and Brian's as high strung as he gets and questioning Justin about what they did to him and inspecting him for injuries and just generally about to hit the roof.

Bob comes back and tells them they must fuck again. They are like, fuck off, we are traumatized. Bob says he will "punish" Justin again if they don't fuck, now.

So then Brian is all torn up trying to cajole Justin into having sex when Justin really doesn't want to, because of course Brian thinks that at least having sex with him is better than whatever they're doing to Justin when he's not around. Can he convince Justin? Would he essentially rape Justin if he thought it was in Justin's best interests? So many questions.

Anyway, then, once they eventually get rescued by Horvath and Debbie, they return for massive counseling. Brian feels horribly guilty for everything, and would probably just go kill himself except Jennifer comes to him and tells him that Justin's counselors feel that Brian will be an integral part of Justin's recovery, and they need him to participate in Justin's therapy. Justin just wants to pretend that none of it ever happened and move on with his life. There is much other suffering and angstiness and awkwardness. Etc.

Starla objected to 1. the angst 2. how weird it all is and how contrived. And it got abandoned, though I remain fascinated by Brian's rape dilemma--what would the man do?

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[sisabet.livejournal.com]

What Would Brian Do?

There should be a bracelet or something for that.

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

Or at least there should be icons. "Oh, Starla..."

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[sisabet.livejournal.com]

My sister (drdawn) already has some WWBD icons and "I am Brian Kinney" and really a full set. If she ever got off her lazy ass to participate in fandom instead of having me give her the lowdown reports, you'd see them. Instead she does frivilous things like work and go to the gym and really. Next she is going to expect me to learn HTML or something.

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[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Ooooh, she so does.

Me, I've already had my "What Would Brian Do" moment today. *whistles*

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[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Oooh... okay, you will not catch me objecting to the angst. But is a little contrived... a teensy bit. But the dilemma! Yes. This is where we regret that QaF is as connected to reality as it is, 'cause if Brian and Justin were in, say, the Star Trek franchise? Kidnapped by aliens works every time. Those aliens. They're inscrutable.

*has a P. Bride moment, "Kidnapped by pirates is good."*

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

Yes. Aliens are convenient that way, aren't they? *evil grin*

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[myrna1-2-3.livejournal.com]

Ooooohhhh nothing gets my creative juices flowing like bringing back from near-extinction a possible hurt/comfort extravaganza.

If contrivance is a problem (and really, wouldn't we all have left the fandom years ago if we were true sticklers about this) just ratchet down a bit the scenario. Instead of being kidnapped to a house with a lot of rooms, they're drugged up in the loft with a trick gone bad. (Drugged uppness could preclude them from ganging up on Evil!Trick, see?)

Somehow Evil!Trick pulls a knife on them and tries to force Brian to do something to Justin who's flashbacking all over the place, again, unable to help SuperHero!Brian overcome this trecherous situation...

Okay, I'll stop now.

I'm just saying, you should never, ever discard a potential Hurt Justin scenario just because it seems an eensy weensy bit preposterous.

I mean, I've been in some pretty big houses and there can be a LOT of rooms.

Is all I'm sayin...

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

Oooh! You are an evil enabler.

But the whole drugged at the loft thing has extra potential, since then Brian would feel extra guilty and responsible later since he's the probably the one whose idea it was to bring a trick back there. Especially if it was post 2-10 or whenever the strangling scene was... after Justin's protests about safety.

*goes off, thinking frantically*

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[sisabet.livejournal.com]

God, I'm loving the scenario at the loft. Especially a trick gone bad - what if Justin has nothing to do with it? What if this guy just goes nuts on Brian and Justin happens to walk in on it?

Then you have Justin!Danger, potential Justin!Injury and not only is Brian powerless to stop it - he created the situation that led to it. So you've got Brian guilt and also - to what extent would Justin blame Brian? Or if not blame - is this how he wants to live?

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

OooOoohh...

Ohhhh, Late to this thread! BUT heeheeehee!! the KidnappedbyBadTrick!fic!!

[viola69.livejournal.com]

yes yes yes- LOVE the loft as where it all goes down angle and the drugged-ness. & I'm suddenly reminded of a plot bunny from a QAF rpg I was part of- where I brought Kip in to stalk Justin who didn't tell Brian at first- cause it would mean 'fessing up to the whole blackmailed-him-to-save-your-job thing & what with Brian un-employeed & Mikey off to whoknowswhere with the Vette so he figures Brian has enough on his plate without a problem that he can surely handle since he handled Kip before (pun intended)- so GuiltyConflictedProtective!Brian is good!

P.S.

[josselin.livejournal.com]

I don't care about the hair, Rachel, I'm *so* beyond that, but please, please, please--no disfiguring scars! I'm begging you!

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[sparkledark.livejournal.com]

I would never disfigure Justin. He is too beautiful, and it would make me cry.

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

You have no idea how relieved this makes me. How does Laura feel about disfiguring scars? They make her cry, too, right? You're not going to have her give him a bunch of scars and sneak that by me on a technicality, are you?

*is paranoid for poor Justin*

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[sparkledark.livejournal.com]

Nope, no one is getting disfigured. Promise.

Please write your kidnapper story!

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[sisabet.livejournal.com]

Bruises are all right, though - right?

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[josselin.livejournal.com]

Wahh!! Bruises!

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[sparkledark.livejournal.com]

Yes, bruises are all right, and cuts which Brian will get him anti-scarring cream for, cause he's queer like that.

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[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Mmmmmmm, bruises....

[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Oh, fuck... we broke 50 comments again and now they're threading. *cackle*