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Everyone go read [livejournal.com profile] sockkpuppett's entry about this clip stealing mess. She rocks my world and says everything I wanted to say, but in a much better way.

Thanks to everyone that posted earlier - if I wasn't so dead-tired I would reply to you all - that and LJ is being a bitch.

This person - [livejournal.com profile] alliterator has stolen from my vids and Lum's vids as well. My sister wrote to him this afternoon and asked him to take that vid down (Eternal Life). He took that vid down - I checked later tonight. He now knows how we feel about this act. I really don't think he was ignorant that it was wrong before Dawn wrote to him. I just don't see how you don't know the rules - as vocal as we have been everywhere - how do you function enough in this fandom to download these vids and still not know? Whatever the ignorance excuse - Dawn told him this afternoon that we don't like our clips being lifted. He left up his other vids. I didn't think I should have to watch all of his vids to see if there were any more stolen footage - surely if you catch someone at something and explain it is not appreciated and the claim is ignorance - that only applies once? Right? Right? I downloaded the rest of his vids online. Oh, the humanity...

"Don't Fear the Reaper" is all I could really get through and the stray frames are damning. There are direct scenes from Clint Eastwood that I can prove with stray frames alone. There are also several stray frames from a Willow/Tara vid that I could not identify. If anyone wants more details about the stray frames and scene changes - write to me (Tara looks down in beginning of TR, there is a stray frame of Willow in the shower from Wrecked, there is a stray frame of black eyed Willow zooming outside majic box to next cut of close up of Tara's face telling Willow she doesn't think it is going to work in TR. That is someone else's vid. And really clear source. Just sayin'). I can't watch anymore of his vids. I just can't.

I hate this. I really don't want to put my vids back up right now. Dawn has a new Wes/Angel vid that is so great - it is wonderful, she has worked months on this thing and exhausted me and [livejournal.com profile] renenet as betas and she makes me get off the computer to IM Lum about every little change and really - a lot of people have devoted themselves to helping her make the best possible vid about a man, the vamp he loves - his fear that the vamp he loves will eat their baby and the fallout that results. I don't think there has ever been as slash vid like this one. And it is based on fucking cannon. I might post it friend's locked later - we haven't decided yet how to handle anything. But it sucked cause tonight is new Buffy night and tomorrow is new Angel night and we only have one more of those weeks left. Man - it should be a freaking holiday - not this.

Date: 2003-04-29 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_flaming_june_/
Oh man. What a mess. I'm so sorry about all of this. Smooches, doll.

And, okay, I ain't too proud to beg. Please post the Wes/Angel vid-- friends locked, or what have you. Please? Whimper? ::bats eyelashes::

Date: 2003-04-29 10:44 pm (UTC)
ext_14312: (AngelSpike)
From: [identity profile] linzeestyle.livejournal.com
:shakes head: Isn't that amazing? They take down the one, fully realizing the others violate the *exact same principles*...and expect nobody to notice the rest of their stolen clips. Proof that people are just. Plain. Stupid. That's the kind of thing that proves they really, really don't get it, and it's frustrating and sad.

I'm so very sorry about all this...there has to be *something* we can do. And if it helps, I really do think naming names is the best - maybe the only - way to go in making it stop. In the meantime, ::hugs::.

and...I'll second the shameless begging for the W/A vid - friends locked, password protected, only for people who juggle snausages and give the secret handshake...I *really* want to see that now.

Linzee

Date: 2003-04-29 10:54 pm (UTC)
ext_14312: (AngelSpike)
From: [identity profile] linzeestyle.livejournal.com
*resuscitates*

LOL - thank you. Same for yours - my but it's hot all the sudden. :cough: Damn that faulty radiator. :cough:

Linzee

Date: 2003-04-29 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com
Damn! Both of your icons!!

::thunk::

Date: 2003-04-29 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimera.livejournal.com
Arrrrgh! People who steal clips ought to be kicked in the head! (why yes, violence IS my solution to everything. or sex. sometimes both.)

Did you ever figure out how to do the watermarking deal? 'Cause I did notice that the newest VDub now has a filter called "logo" that you can use to stick a .bmp image onto your .avi files.

Date: 2003-04-30 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jainieg.livejournal.com
Watermarking actually isn't all that difficult, and I highly suggest that everybody consider doing from now on in the future.

In Premiere, when you've finished with constructing your vid, export it as an .avi and then once it's done exporting, load it into Premiere again, so it will be one complete file. Then, you create the graphic of your choice using the title wizard and stick it in the corner of the frame, where it will be visible throughout the video. You drag that clip to the video 2 track (in A/B editing mode) and stretch the track so that it covers the vid from end to end, including fancy fades at the beginning or end, if you like - and then tinker with the transparency so that your logo shows up in the corner - you can see how it will look in the transparency preview, so you can futz around with it a bit so that you get the look you want. Export again into whatever format you prefer, and voila.

At least, in theory. I haven't started doing this process, myself, so I can't vouch for the quality loss (if any). Still - it's another way to protect ourselves. Though, grrrrrrr, I hate having to go to all that trouble because of some lazy jackass who can't be bothered to download his own source like the rest of us have to. Grrrr.

Date: 2003-04-30 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boniblithe.livejournal.com
Darling Jain - are you organizing the Grey Day? Because I think we are all 100% behind you.

Date: 2003-04-30 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jainieg.livejournal.com
I can get started on it as soon as possible - I'm already thinking in terms of dates and a new site and stuff... oy - I was honestly hoping nothing else would happen, because I knew if it did, we'd have to follow through with this thing and I'd have to make a site and get all organizer-y. lol

Date: 2003-04-29 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] renenet.livejournal.com
...a man, the vamp he loves - his fear that the vamp he loves will eat their baby and the fallout that results. I don't think there has ever been as slash vid like this one. And it is based on fucking cannon.

I get more than a little bit trembly just thinking about it. I have reread this summary seven times. I am writing it down.

Date: 2003-04-29 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com
Oh, hon, I am so sorry about this.

{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}

Date: 2003-04-30 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebratqueen.livejournal.com
I might post it friend's locked later - we haven't decided yet how to handle anything.

GAH!!!! What baby do I have to sacrifice in order to see this? Do you want my blood? I can give you my blood.

Date: 2003-04-30 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com
Not much I can say but offering hugs, sympathy, and pointy sharp things with which to attack.

*comfort*

Date: 2003-04-30 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lasheremaleth.livejournal.com
I just wanted to let you know how sorry I am that this is happening. It seems like there's been one problem after another in the vidding community lately, and it really stinks that some people have no regard for all the effort vidders put into making vids. Really, is it *that* freakin' difficult to find your own source? Why slap something together that you didn't even do yourself, what's the point and what do you get out of it? Ugh, that pisses me off.

I hope you put your vids back up in some form eventually, HeadTilt vids are some of *the* defining videos in the fandom.

Date: 2003-04-30 07:32 am (UTC)
luminosity: (2 daddies)
From: [personal profile] luminosity
...a lot of people have devoted themselves to helping her make the best possible vid about a man, the vamp he loves - his fear that the vamp he loves will eat their baby and the fallout that results. I don't think there has ever been as slash vid like this one. And it is based on fucking cannon.

My biggest concern about idiots like [livejournal.com profile] alliterator is that his behavior will cause some vidders to NOT share their vids. Like this vid. This is a great vid. DAMMIT.

Vid Still Up

Date: 2003-04-30 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morgandawn.livejournal.com
Eternal Life is still up on his/her Yahoo webpage. Try: http://www.geocities.com/alliterator85/ and click on Music Videos to the left. I was able to dl the zipped file this morning.

Date: 2003-04-30 07:51 am (UTC)
luminosity: (myfandowblows)
From: [personal profile] luminosity
FWIW, I just posted publicly on alliterator's LJ that he take the vids down. I was very polite. Before I go to geocities TOS and have him tossed.

Date: 2003-04-30 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chantal87.livejournal.com
I am so sorry this happened to you. It totally sucks. I can't add anything more then what everyone else has. So, I made a stealing clips gif.
Mean people Suck.
(((((sisabet))))
::tongue kisses you just for good measure::

Date: 2003-04-30 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jainieg.livejournal.com
This is just a head's up for everybody - if you can't get to alliterator's site via the full geocities address, then make sure to try http://www.dullbitscutout.com/

Off to go see if this jackass has taken anything from my vids. Granted, I skimmed the descriptions and didn't see anything that stood out to me, but you never know, y'know? ;p

Date: 2003-04-30 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] castalianspring.livejournal.com
I was so hoping we'd seen the end of this issues, but it seems the asshats don't give up so easily *sigh* I'm so sorry this happened to you. I love your vids, and it sucks that these people are ruining it for everyone who does.

I'm in total support for Grey Day. Would it only be a day, or perhaps longer for people to get the point? I'll watch for a date to be set and help spread the word.

a lot of people have devoted themselves to helping her make the best possible vid about a man, the vamp he loves - his fear that the vamp he loves will eat their baby and the fallout that results. I don't think there has ever been as slash vid like this one. And it is based on fucking cannon.

Oh *wimper* An A/W vid? Based on canon? I'm not on your friends list, but I would so kill to see this vid. If I sign a contract in my own blood that I would guard it with my life and never ever misuse it, would that suffice?

*hugs* to all vidders

Date: 2003-04-30 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsintime.livejournal.com
earlier today I played around with my videoeditmagic, it took me 2 minutes from start to finish to add an overlay of kj in the bottom corner, that is with the figuring out what to do included, since it took so long if anyone needs their vid incoded let me know and I will do it for you, I can save it in any format that you request, you just send me your logo.

Date: 2003-04-30 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com
Thanks KJ - I have a bug already in use for the new vids - the loss in quality for the old WMM vids will be to great in a re-encode. I am looking at my options currently at those vids. I recommend you look into bugging your vids - seems this problem is not stopping or slowing any time soon.

Date: 2003-04-30 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7spoons.livejournal.com
Sisabet, I'm so damn sorry. What a violation. And also, what a pain in the ass for you to have to take down your vids and figure out how to protect them. I hope the world gets to see your Spuffy and Dawn's Wes/Angel soon, though, because your vids are just too good not to be out there. We need you.

Date: 2003-04-30 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-k.livejournal.com
Sisabet...

First of all, let me say that I respect & admire you as an ARTIST. I don't know *anything* about the concept of "vidding". In fact, I don't even really watch all that many vids... except the ones by you & your Headtilt.com sisters, [livejournal.com profile] mrmonkeybottoms, and a few other people... but I do know quality art when I see it. And you are an artist. I don't know why you don't work for MTV or an ad agency.

I'm not saying this to be kissing your ass. You've seen me around the boards for a year now, and you should know that I really admire you.

This is what I also wanted to say... I know [livejournal.com profile] alliterator from here, TWoP, and a few other boards, and honesty? I don't think he really meant to be so offensive. Yes, what he did was wrong, but he is trying to make things better now by taking stuff off his website. I don't think he was trying to be malicious & hurtful to you personally. How many times have I read on boards & lj's people talking about how tempting it was to use other people's clips... and how they thought "no one would mind" or whatever. This guy is obviously a beginning vidder, and made a mistake.

I understand if you want to yell at me for sticking up for someone that has obviously infuriated you, but I felt I needed to just say a little something.

Thanks.

Date: 2003-04-30 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdawn.livejournal.com
Hi Lunakornkid!

No one is going to yell at you. I've known you and liked you for a year. You're a charter member of the TMBG suck ass club. You are quoted on the site. Hee hee.

People have asked him to take the vids down. Honestly, if he does that, this will all end. There isn't anything more to say. It isn't just us who want the vids down now, but several other vidders whose vids were lifted.

People are very forgiving. I'm in love with an attempted rapist. Hey, he felt really bad about it. Redemption is obtainable.

Re:

Date: 2003-04-30 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-k.livejournal.com
Hi Dawn!!! Thank you, thank you a thousand times for responding.

Don't go read my post on my LJ. I'm taking it down, because I was all upset about people being mean to [livejournal.com profile] allitertor.

People have asked him to take the vids down. He didn't TAKE IT DOWN YET?!?! Grr. Okay, now *I'm* mad at him.

Date: 2003-05-01 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdawn.livejournal.com
Hey! I guess you saw already, but everything is resolved. (And btw you are always welcome on our LJ's, esp if you disagree with something) :)
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