Re: families and so on. Of course, Angel killed his own family, and then Buffy killed him. I'm struck by the fact that he and Connor have never killed each other, though. It would have been pretty easy, in the Buffyverse. Connor could have sent Angel to hell in some way instead of locking him in a box. They could have had an even more heart-rending moment than the end of Buffy S2, where Connor becomes such a threat to humanity that Angel's forced to kill him. (In fact, that's where I thought they were going with Angel S4.) But they both find a way to keep the other alive, just away from *them*. And I guess that's what you're saying about permanence; they both recognise that, whatever happens, they're going to have to keep on wrestling with this relationship. Just like life.
Complete side point: I do think, though, that a lot of Buffy's *issues* can be traced back to her having to kill her first serious boyfriend. I think it's v. significant that she can only tell Spike she loves him (and yeah, Spike, she does love you. Maybe not the way you want her to love you, but she does.) when he's about to die, of his own free will, to save the world. Ie, at the point where she understands that *she's* not going to have to kill him, so can allow herself to feel what she feels.
Anyway... good luck with all the moving. I recommend Neil Gaiman's Sandman, if you haven't read it, as something that Xander would probably love. And Bo Duke would enjoy the pictures. Oooh, and Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.
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Date: 2004-06-16 03:42 pm (UTC)Re: families and so on. Of course, Angel killed his own family, and then Buffy killed him. I'm struck by the fact that he and Connor have never killed each other, though. It would have been pretty easy, in the Buffyverse. Connor could have sent Angel to hell in some way instead of locking him in a box. They could have had an even more heart-rending moment than the end of Buffy S2, where Connor becomes such a threat to humanity that Angel's forced to kill him. (In fact, that's where I thought they were going with Angel S4.) But they both find a way to keep the other alive, just away from *them*. And I guess that's what you're saying about permanence; they both recognise that, whatever happens, they're going to have to keep on wrestling with this relationship. Just like life.
Complete side point: I do think, though, that a lot of Buffy's *issues* can be traced back to her having to kill her first serious boyfriend. I think it's v. significant that she can only tell Spike she loves him (and yeah, Spike, she does love you. Maybe not the way you want her to love you, but she does.) when he's about to die, of his own free will, to save the world. Ie, at the point where she understands that *she's* not going to have to kill him, so can allow herself to feel what she feels.
Anyway... good luck with all the moving. I recommend Neil Gaiman's Sandman, if you haven't read it, as something that Xander would probably love. And Bo Duke would enjoy the pictures. Oooh, and Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.