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Buffy Fan... No Mention of Apologies Anywhere In this Post
I realize now that I don't think I will ever be able to have a rational conversation with someone that does not like Buffy, possibly because my love for her is not rational.
I also hesitate to post my thoughts about Buffy and the seasons because it seems whenever someone tries to post why something works for them - what it is about the show that just made them very, very happy -- the people that respond to that post are overwhelmingly negative and insist on recounting, to infinity, their own issues.
Issues that we have already covered and which have nothing to do with the poster's statement get brought up, again.
And I understand that if you watched Season whatever of a television show and it did not work for you, that you possibly will want to discuss this. And I think that responding to a positive post with reservations is a perfectly reasonable response.
I cannot help the part of me that then just wants to scream "SHUT UP, SHUT UP!! I AM SO SICK OF THIS, SHUT UP!
I don't think I will ever be rational. I also don't think that I will ever convince anyone who felt betrayed by Season Whatever that it wasn't actually personal and that Joss is not Satan and Marti Noxon does not eat babies, and it isn't all about Spike or it isn't all not about Spike and Buffy is actually very likeable and so is Xander, Willow, Dawn and Spike. Yes, even Spike. And Giles had a role and instead of bitching about it, let's find out what that role is.
And I know this to be true because season 7 has only been finished for 2 years and already I am weary and ready to abandon the fight and hide out in a cave until it all blows over and I know that Buffy wouldn't do this. She would hit the comment button and respond to the negativity. Actually, she'd probably make it worse as talking things out is something she struggles with - but you see where I am going here.
I just can't do it anymore. My blood pressure can't take it. I am tired of the same damn arguments and it bugs me and it isn't rational and it isn't in the spirit of whatever, I am just sick to fucking hell of all of this shit.
Find a better show that had a seven year run. Find it. Want to argue that it went downhill after Season 3? Fine. Find a better show that had a seven year run. Find better arcs, better continuity of characters, better dialogue and emotional depth. Find it.
God, most of our shows are killed before they have time to even try to achieve something close to what BtVS did accomplish. This sucks - I hate it. But in this one instance we were given a complete run of a girl to woman's story and I love that we have that. I love the story that was told and was it perfect? Hell, no. Nothing is ever perfect. It feels more real because of the flaws, actually.
But to me - there could not have been a more perfect story told to me over the course of the six years I watched. It was told to me. And I loved it and it made me so happy in those years and so I am not rational.
I am also a person who grew up attached to a television. I have watched much TV my friends. Oh, the TV I have seen. I might not be a scholar of pop culture or whathaveyou, but I can tell you the song that was playing in the background when Alex P Keaton got his first serious girlfriend and I can explain the intricacies of the Ewing clan and why Ray and Lucy getting it on was seriously gross and that once upon a time, Sarah Jessica Parker was not only likable, she was inspirational. I can tell you that there always had to be a blond(e) and brunet(te) in any dyad and cite examples of Dukes of Hazzard and Too Close for Comfort.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the best television series I have ever seen. This statement is mired in emotion and yeah - I won't ever be able to rationally discuss it.
So I give up. Not on Buffy. On being rational.
I also hesitate to post my thoughts about Buffy and the seasons because it seems whenever someone tries to post why something works for them - what it is about the show that just made them very, very happy -- the people that respond to that post are overwhelmingly negative and insist on recounting, to infinity, their own issues.
Issues that we have already covered and which have nothing to do with the poster's statement get brought up, again.
And I understand that if you watched Season whatever of a television show and it did not work for you, that you possibly will want to discuss this. And I think that responding to a positive post with reservations is a perfectly reasonable response.
I cannot help the part of me that then just wants to scream "SHUT UP, SHUT UP!! I AM SO SICK OF THIS, SHUT UP!
I don't think I will ever be rational. I also don't think that I will ever convince anyone who felt betrayed by Season Whatever that it wasn't actually personal and that Joss is not Satan and Marti Noxon does not eat babies, and it isn't all about Spike or it isn't all not about Spike and Buffy is actually very likeable and so is Xander, Willow, Dawn and Spike. Yes, even Spike. And Giles had a role and instead of bitching about it, let's find out what that role is.
And I know this to be true because season 7 has only been finished for 2 years and already I am weary and ready to abandon the fight and hide out in a cave until it all blows over and I know that Buffy wouldn't do this. She would hit the comment button and respond to the negativity. Actually, she'd probably make it worse as talking things out is something she struggles with - but you see where I am going here.
I just can't do it anymore. My blood pressure can't take it. I am tired of the same damn arguments and it bugs me and it isn't rational and it isn't in the spirit of whatever, I am just sick to fucking hell of all of this shit.
Find a better show that had a seven year run. Find it. Want to argue that it went downhill after Season 3? Fine. Find a better show that had a seven year run. Find better arcs, better continuity of characters, better dialogue and emotional depth. Find it.
God, most of our shows are killed before they have time to even try to achieve something close to what BtVS did accomplish. This sucks - I hate it. But in this one instance we were given a complete run of a girl to woman's story and I love that we have that. I love the story that was told and was it perfect? Hell, no. Nothing is ever perfect. It feels more real because of the flaws, actually.
But to me - there could not have been a more perfect story told to me over the course of the six years I watched. It was told to me. And I loved it and it made me so happy in those years and so I am not rational.
I am also a person who grew up attached to a television. I have watched much TV my friends. Oh, the TV I have seen. I might not be a scholar of pop culture or whathaveyou, but I can tell you the song that was playing in the background when Alex P Keaton got his first serious girlfriend and I can explain the intricacies of the Ewing clan and why Ray and Lucy getting it on was seriously gross and that once upon a time, Sarah Jessica Parker was not only likable, she was inspirational. I can tell you that there always had to be a blond(e) and brunet(te) in any dyad and cite examples of Dukes of Hazzard and Too Close for Comfort.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the best television series I have ever seen. This statement is mired in emotion and yeah - I won't ever be able to rationally discuss it.
So I give up. Not on Buffy. On being rational.
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You know what was ironic? I *just* finished an episode of Buffy and decided to get on LJ and first thing I saw was this post. What are the odds?
This is why I'm glad I'm not fannish about Jossverse because I'd probably go nuts. I've talked about this before... I can't be fannish about Jossverse because, regardless of the fact that I watched to bitch!smack! Xander in Season 6... I love that show so much. Yeah sure, sometimes it did things that I didn't like, but come on. It was *beautifully* written. You don't have to like it, but you can't argue that it wasn't a fabulous plot/writing. It just was.
I used to be jealous that Jossverse hadn't been my first fandom, or been something I was involved in at all, but now I'm not. I get into fandom and I get bitter. I hate the shows I am fannish about usually, which is odd. I actively hate parts of Roswell... there are episodes I will just not watch again because my *GOD* it was bad. And it only lasted three years because of how bad it was. The show failed it's viewers. The plot lines got bad, the actors stopped acting and everything was just painful to watch towards the end.
Buffy *never* failed you. Angel *never* failed you. I remember being bitter and not watching Buffy after Hells Bells. I didn't... I've seen most of those episodes since then, but when they aired I didn't want because I was upset. But seriously... I got over it... and yeah sometimes I'm bitter, but it was a *beautiful* plot line. It worked. For better or worse, Joss loved his characters and is a *very* good writer. He's good at what he does. And if anyone tries to argue that, send them over to me. I have episodes of Roswell and Smallville they need to watch and then we can discuss bad writers.
I've never really liked Buffy. Not the show, the character. Her and I had some issues early on, and while they are irriational... I'm still lukewarm to her. I don't hate her, she is a brillantly written character and I respect that. I have a lot of respect for that.
This post just reminded me why I'm glad I was never in this fandom and have gotten to know this show through reruns. I couldn't listen to people argue and have shipper wars and "OMG! Spike is *evil*!!" all the time. I just couldn't... You do that for shows that are bad; you bitch about Lana, get into fights about whether Lex is the big evil or not, stick Dreamers and Candys in a room and let them fight it out. Because the show is bad and honestly... you get bored bitching about the show so you tear into characters and into each other.
To what point or purpose does it have, when the show was actually good?
That baffles my mind.
::hugs::
Take a deep breath and wow... I don't know. Get yourself some sugary goodness.